Buffalo Bills Talk

On Jun 7, 1:31 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
> Tech 811 wrote:
> > "Geoff" wrote in message
> >news:-cSdnQ5gtZ9SrNXVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> Kountzeguy wrote:
> >>> On Jun 1, 9:13 am, "Geoff" wrote:
> >>>> Kountzeguy wrote:
> >>>>> He played much better when you look at sacks and turnovers.That
> >>>>> makes for more wins.The rest of the stats were even.He out played
> >>>>> him period.
>
> >>>> OK...you convinced me. Tred is *obviously* not just another schmoe
> >>>> the Bills are panning off as a real QB. Get ready for Joe Ferguson
> >>>> redux.
>
> >>> Will see.I didn't try to convince you he was the next great QB.Only
> >>> tried to
> >>> convince you that he deserves a shot
>
> >> Well, he's more deserving than anyone else on the roster. I'll give
> >> you that.
>
> >>> and he is better then JP Losman.
>
> >> Not by much.
>
> >>>> Not at all...when I don't like him I'll call him re-Tred.
>
> >>> Your *(sic)* an idiot.
>
> >> Ouch! What a cutting retort! Whatever shall I do? Goodbye cruel
> >> world!
>
> >>>>> He out played a 4th year guy.He showed good accuracy and good
> >>>>> pocket pressence.
>
> >>>> Pffft...he outplayed another schmoe....barely. Big deal.
>
> >>> You made excuses for that schmoe.He is a schmoe I agree.But Edwards
> >>> has alot to grown.JP is at his peak.
>
> >> I never have. I've hated Losman since I first saw him play. He's
> >> always been a *. Aside from Jim Kelly, how many great
> >> quarterbacks has this team had? None. Zip. Nada. Edwards is just
> >> another average QB that isn't going to ever take us to the SB let
> >> alone win it.
>
> > how about Jack Kemp and Frank Reich for * good QBs
>
> Reich is the second best quarterback that ever played for the Bills, though
> he didn't play enough games to have much of an impact. But he was better
> than every other QB for the Bills that had any playing time with the
> possible exception of Daryl Lamonica.
>
> The myth of Jack Kemp is just that...myth. He wasn't even all that good even
> for the AFL. During his career with Buffalo, his TD:INT ratio was 72:132. He
> only completed 46% of his passes and had a rating of 55.8.  The championship
> years were marked by superior running and defense. The passing game was
> average in '64 and worse in '65. His typical season with the Bills was 13
> TDs and 24 INT's.
>
> Unfortunately, the Bills let Lamonica go (one of the most lopsided trades in
> Bills history) and stuck with Kemp and the Bills slid into obscurtiy pretty
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Flutie was above average.A playoff QB.Not great but good.

Kountzeguy wrote:

> Flutie was above average.A playoff QB.Not great but good.

You are entitled to your opinion but the facts don't back any of this.
He had a slightly below avg. QB rating (76.3) and he played in only one
playoff game and the team lost that game...the biggest factor in that
loss his fumble at the goal line. The guy was all hype and a locker room
cancer. A good backup QB, but nothing more.

On Jun 8, 7:51 am, Bender wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote:
> > Flutie was above average.A playoff QB.Not great but good.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion but the facts don't back any of this.
> He had a slightly below avg. QB rating (76.3) and he played in only one
> playoff game and the team lost that game...the biggest factor in that
> loss his fumble at the goal line. The guy was all hype and a locker room
> cancer. A good backup QB, but nothing more.
>
>

LMAO.The guy took the team the the playoffs twice.Rob Johnson played
in the game.But Flutie took us there.A game we would have won with
Flutie.

Yeah he fumbled the ball.That's why I said he is a good QB not a great
one.

Kountzeguy wrote:

> Flutie was above average.A playoff QB.Not great but good.

Granted. I put him somewhat below Ferguson.

Kountzeguy wrote:

> Every team has very few great QBs in their history.So whats your
> point? Edwards cant be a good QB because the other QBs we have had
> were bad? I don't think he has anything to do with Buffalo Bills QBs
> of the past.I have
> no idea if Edwards will be great or even good.Seems you already made
> your mind up about him.I need to see more and then make my mind up.
> I'm not in here saying the guy is the next Jim Kelly.I'm not nuts.

Roger that. I'm just saying that prior results are a good indicator of
future performance and this with respect to the Bills long history of *
QB's. Edwards may be good. I think he has Ferguson potential. I doubt it,
but it's possible. It's even possible that he might defy everyone's
expectations and become a superlative QB and make everyone forget about JK.

Kountzeguy wrote:

> A game we would have won with
> Flutie.

You're right, Fluite would've easily made that tackle on the pitch back
throwback.

Back to the facts (which you have not, and can not, despute): Fluite was
a below average NFL QB.

On Jun 9, 6:26 pm, Bender wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote:
> > A game we would have won with
> > Flutie.
>
> You're right, Fluite would've easily made that tackle on the pitch back
> throwback.
>
> Back to the facts (which you have not, and can not, despute): Fluite was
> a below average NFL QB.
>
>

No he wouldn't have made that tackle.If Flutie would have started it
wouldn't
have came down to that play.We would have the game wrapped up already.
I'm 100% he wouldnt have sat back there and took sack after sack.The
way
Rob Johnson did.It's been proven that Rob Johnson is one of the worst
QB's
to play in a Bills uni.So yes I think a BETTER QB(Flutie)would have
won us
that game.Unless you think a worse QB gives you the best chance to
win?

Back to the real facts.Your average QB doesn't make the playoffs.Much
less
a below average QB!

On Jun 9, 4:26 pm, Bender wrote:

> Back to the facts (which you have not, and can not, despute): Fluite was
> a below average NFL QB.


Sir Doug Flutie (he was knighted by the Queen of England in 2001)
would have destroyed the Tennessee Titans and won the Super Bowl that
year.

Flutie will be in the NFL Hall of Fame, he is currently curing cancer,
and he is drilling the oil in his backyard to ease the fuel crisis.

How dare you Sir speak ill of the Flutie?

mr dude (President of the Flutie for President fan club)

Kountzeguy wrote:

> No he wouldn't have made that tackle.If Flutie would have started it
> wouldn't have came down to that play.

Sorry, didn't read anything after this sentence......
....didn't really need to ;-)

On Jun 10, 6:46 pm, Bender wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote:
> > No he wouldn't have made that tackle.If Flutie would have started it
> > wouldn't have came down to that play.
>
> Sorry, didn't read anything after this sentence......
> ....didn't really need to ;-)
>
>

Do you think Rob Johnson was a better NFL QB then Doug Flutie?

If you think Rob is better your nuts.If you think Flutie is
better,then from what
I have seen better players playing in games give you a better shot to
win.

Doug Flutie is better then Rob Johnson so he would have givin us a
better
chance to win.A game we barely lost.Figure it out.