Buffalo Bills Talk

On May 13, 2:59 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote:
> >> If it affects Edwards in any way, he doesn't have what it takes to
> >> be an NFL QB.
>
> > I don't think it will effect him,but it will take him longer to
> > learn.Because his back up will be a guy with a chip on his
> > shoulder.That knows nothing about being a good NFL QB.
>
> As opposed to being backed up by a guy who started one year for a
> second-rate Div I school and who has never taken a snap in anger in the
> bigs?

You continue to keep thinking I want Backer to be the back up.I have
not one time said that he should be.

>
> >>> If JP showed me that he was so much better then other backup QBs I
> >>> would say keep him.I think he sucks as a QB and that's the main
> >>> reason I say let him go.His low talent isn't worth the baggage.
>
> >> Wait till you see Baker play.
>
> > Either way the season will turn to *.If JP plays or Baker is the
> > QB.That's the reason we need a solid back up.Not JP or Baker.
>
> I respectfully disagree. It would be a step back for JP to start, but it
> will be a step over the cliff if Baker gets even a snap where the Bills
> don't have a three score lead.

That's why we need a backup QB.Neither is the answer.I would like to
see Baker in the preseason tho.

On May 13, 4:04 pm, night wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote in news:3b048f4b-5b16-4fe7-b169-
> e5e0bfb39...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Well im going on the stuff he said last year.Also his agent said that
> > he wanted out of Buffalo.
>
> Apparently you "tuned out" the rest. The rest being the part where JP said
> he would fulfill the last year of his contract if he wasn't traded or
> released.
>
>

You think just because he said this,means he is happy with the
situation?
This is a guy that's very *.When he was drafted he said he was
better
then the other QB's drafted that year.The point is how is he going to
act.
Not if he is going to fulfill his contract.He has to fulfill it.He has
no where else
to go.If anyone wanted him he would have been traded.Even worse a guy
forced to do something he doesn't want to do.To me I would rather have
someone that really wants to be there.


>
> >> JP has already said he will fulfill his last year of his contract. While
> >> he has not been the savior at QB, he has been a model citizen and player
> >> in pretty much every aspect. JP has already shown up for the optional
> >> off season training, and during such time has not uttered a peep.
>
> > Well I havn't heard about any of this.I think he is doing this because
> > he knows no one else wants him.He is coming up on FA has to do the
> > right thing.I think he is still bitter about it no matter what he says
> > or does.I think that will effect the team and Edwards in some way.To
> > me it seems like the team is just holding on to him still hopeing he
> > will get good all the sudden.I think maybe your holding out hope that
> > he will be good too.Regardless of his play of the field.
>
> Unfortunately, I think your hatred of JP has rendered you with "selective
> reading".
>
> As Geoff pointed out, if this hiccup of a controversy has a negative effect  
> on Edwards in ANY way, shape or form, then the Bills have bigger problems
> to worry about than JP.

If both of you guys don't think negative people effect teams,you have
never watched football.Jeremy Shockey and Chad Johnson just to name a
few.

> > A big difference, though, is that each of the QB's you listed above
> > had/have far better teams surrounding them.  In Losman's defense his O-
> > line blew.
>
> Absolutely agree.
>
> His o-line, his receivers (except for Evans), his TE, the coaching staffs.
> etc ...
>
> That's not to say JP did not have a hand in his own demise (skipping balls
> off the carpet, inability to keep feet planted, etc ...), but that poor
> * had almost no suppporting talent.


Trent Edwards last year.
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck Rate FUM Lost
10 9 151 269 56.1 1,630 6.1 7 8 12 70.4 4
0



JP Losman.First year as a starter.
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg Td Int Sck Rate Fum Lost
9 8 113 228 49.6 1,340 5.9 8 8 26 64.9
7 3


Last season for JP Losman.
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck Rate Fum Lost
8 7 111 175 63.4 1,204 6.9 4 6 14 76.9
5 2



Looking at the stats here.Edwards is way better in every stat except
TDs
in his first year as a starter.(compared to Losman's first year)Don't
forget Losman sat a year and learned the offense before this.Edwards
didn't and
still has the better stats.


Last year's stats.JP was sacked 14 times in 8 games.If he would have
started all 16 games would have ended with around 28 sacks.Edwards was
sacked
12 times in 10 games.If he started all 16 games would have finished
with around 18 sacks.Same talent on the Oline with way different out
comes.
The rest of the stats for last year are close.I still give Edwards the
edge.If Losman started the entire year he would have finished with
more yards
but way more turn overs.Turnovers and sacks in the NFL equal losses.
The big thing here Edwards is a rookie playing with the same talent as
the
4yr vet Losman.

On May 13, 10:40 pm, Kountzeguy wrote:

> The big thing here Edwards is a rookie playing with the same talent as
> the
> 4yr vet Losman.


I think the bigger question is: What would have Doug Flutie done:-)

mr dude

Kountzeguy wrote in
news:846df9f9-41b2-4186-be56-00acc7cdf1a3@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:



> You think just because he said this,means he is happy with the
> situation?

I never said he was "happy" with the situation. Being unhappy and
causing a problem are two different things.

> This is a guy that's very *.When he was drafted he said he was
> better
> then the other QB's drafted that year.The point is how is he going to
> act.
> Not if he is going to fulfill his contract.He has to fulfill it.

Nobody is holding a gun to his head demanding he fulfill his contract.
If he really was going to be a problem child, he could stomp his feet,
refuse to report for the OTA's, and refuse to play. He has done none of
this.

> He has
> no where else
> to go.If anyone wanted him he would have been traded.

I disagree. This has been discussed before. JP has one year left on his
contract. Why would a team give up ANYTHING to acquire a player they can
probably acquire next year, and give up NOTHING.

> Even worse a guy
> forced to do something he doesn't want to do.To me I would rather have
> someone that really wants to be there.

That concept could apply to over half of the players in the league. How
many "back up" players in the NFL are thrilled to be where they are at?

Heck, even Frank Reich wanted the chance to be a starter.


>
> If both of you guys don't think negative people effect teams,you have
> never watched football.Jeremy Shockey and Chad Johnson just to name a
> few.


Did Shockey and Johnson ever point to a game and publically declare that
contest was a make or break game for them? Then get benched because they
broke, and they admitted to breaking?

JP is not an idiot. He realizes if he is stuck being a Buffalo Bill for
the 2008 season, it is in his best interest to STFU, and play the good
soldier.
He will draw more interest in the next offseason if he behaves.



Night

Kountzeguy wrote in
news:28be61a4-2f31-4ae1-8fb7-57d96545d081@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

>> > A big difference, though, is that each of the QB's you listed above
>> > had/have far better teams surrounding them.  In Losman's defense
>> > his O
> -
>> > line blew.
>>
>> Absolutely agree.
>>
>> His o-line, his receivers (except for Evans), his TE, the coaching
>> staffs.
>
>> etc ...
>>
>> That's not to say JP did not have a hand in his own demise (skipping
>> balls
>
>> off the carpet, inability to keep feet planted, etc ...), but that
>> poor * had almost no suppporting talent.
>
>
> Trent Edwards last year.
> G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck Rate FUM Lost
> 10 9 151 269 56.1 1,630 6.1 7 8 12 70.4 4
> 0
>
>
>
> JP Losman.First year as a starter.
> G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg Td Int Sck Rate Fum Lost
> 9 8 113 228 49.6 1,340 5.9 8 8 26 64.9
> 7 3
>
>
> Last season for JP Losman.
> G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck Rate Fum Lost
> 8 7 111 175 63.4 1,204 6.9 4 6 14 76.9
> 5 2
>
>
>
> Looking at the stats here.Edwards is way better in every stat except
> TDs
> in his first year as a starter.(compared to Losman's first year)Don't
> forget Losman sat a year and learned the offense before this.Edwards
> didn't and
> still has the better stats.
>
>
> Last year's stats.JP was sacked 14 times in 8 games.If he would have
> started all 16 games would have ended with around 28 sacks.Edwards was
> sacked
> 12 times in 10 games.If he started all 16 games would have finished
> with around 18 sacks.Same talent on the Oline with way different out
> comes.
> The rest of the stats for last year are close.I still give Edwards the
> edge.If Losman started the entire year he would have finished with
> more yards
> but way more turn overs.Turnovers and sacks in the NFL equal losses.
> The big thing here Edwards is a rookie playing with the same talent as
> the
> 4yr vet Losman.


Excuse me, but what the * does Trent Edwards have to do with JP vs.
Big Ben/Eli Manning/Rivers/Schaub?




Night

Kountzeguy wrote:

>> As opposed to being backed up by a guy who started one year for a
>> second-rate Div I school and who has never taken a snap in anger in
>> the bigs?
>
> You continue to keep thinking I want Backer to be the back up.I have
> not one time said that he should be.

No, I did not mean to imply that at all. It was an honest question. If not
Losman, then who? As of now, it's either Hamdan or Baker. Neither are fit to
even hold a clipboard.

>> I respectfully disagree. It would be a step back for JP to start,
>> but it will be a step over the cliff if Baker gets even a snap where
>> the Bills don't have a three score lead.
>
> That's why we need a backup QB.Neither is the answer.I would like to
> see Baker in the preseason tho.

You may. It's not likely. One wonders what you are hoping for. He was a high
school standout and barely worth a mention in the storied annals of UNC
football...comprising exactly three paragraphs. ;-)

Seriously, UNC is not a place to play football. He went there to play lax.
Heck, UNC hasn't even bothered to update his bio to include his senior year,
the only year he started. What do you suppose that implies? LOL
http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/baker_matt00.html

Kountzeguy wrote:

> Looking at the stats here.Edwards is way better in every stat except
> TDs
> in his first year as a starter.(compared to Losman's first year)Don't
> forget Losman sat a year and learned the offense before this.Edwards
> didn't and
> still has the better stats.

Comparing Edwards to Losman is like comparing an AMC Pacer to a Yugo. What's
the point?

mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
> On May 13, 10:40 pm, Kountzeguy wrote:
>
>> The big thing here Edwards is a rookie playing with the same talent
>> as the
>> 4yr vet Losman.
>
>
> I think the bigger question is: What would have Doug Flutie done:-)

Shaddap! ;-)

On May 15, 9:01 am, "Geoff" wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote:
> > Looking at the stats here.Edwards is way better in every stat except
> > TDs
> > in his first year as a starter.(compared to Losman's first year)Don't
> > forget Losman sat a year and learned the offense before this.Edwards
> > didn't and
> > still has the better stats.
>
> Comparing Edwards to Losman is like comparing an AMC Pacer to a Yugo. What's
> the point?

The point is that your guys keeping saying Losman has had no talent to
work with.I posted the stats to show you that a rookie did more with
the same talent JP Losman had.So that excuse can no longer be made.