Buffalo Bills Talk

Kountzeguy wrote:
> On May 5, 1:21 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
>> glw82664 wrote:
>>>> Despite his flaws, he is better than any other presently-available
>>>> back-up. The Bills front office can use this season to make plans
>>>> for another back-up next year. What they would get for him now is
>>>> not worth having a far inferior back-up----especially with Edwards
>>>> injury history.
>>
>>> That makes sense. However, I look at it from this perspective. The
>>> Buffalo organization and its fans have no confidence in Losman.
>>
>> One wonders what merits the confidence in Tredwards? Last year,
>> Losman averaged 1.35 pts/drive while Edwards averaged just 1.16.
>
> One big difference in the two.One was a rookie.The other one has been
> in NFL for 4 yrs.Edwards showed flashes that he can be really
> good.That's uselly all you get from rookie QB's.He needs to step up
> and be more consistent next.

I agree with the first part. I completely disagree with the second.
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. for the most part, Edwards showed zip.

> I think if you cant get a pick for Losman cut him.Can you see Losman
> sitting in meetings daily really trying to help Edwards?Do we even
> want Losman giving advice?I don't think Losman would be good for
> Edwards at all.I would rather have a backup that has there heart in
> it.

If Losman is smart, he'll play the good soldier. His value goes up if he
does.

> After this year Losman is gone no matter what.Why not bring in a
> back up this year and could maybe your long term backup.

That's fine, but who? This chump Baker ain't the answer.

Kountzeguy wrote:
> On May 6, 4:04 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
>> glw82664 wrote:
>>>> It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds
>>>> shoulders now.
>>
>>> So then, what sense does it make to keep a pricey backup on the
>>> squad?
>>
>> Money is not the issue, believe me. I'd rather have Losman on the
>> sideline in case of emergency than Baker. Losman has tools. Baker
>> has nothing.
>>
>
> What tools does JP have really?To me he hasn't shown me anything that
> would say keep him over a off the street guy.Unless he can play
> WR.

Are you kidding? The guy has a gun. He's slow on the draw and is only
slightly more likely to hit one of our receivers than one of the
cheerleaders. In comparison to Baker, who is little more than your average
* off the street, Losman is * Steve Young.

Baker was a better lax player than quarterback. UNC football is a joke. He
was recruited for lacrosse, saw he played quarterback in high school and had
an extra helmet. Suit up kid.

Edwards is the future for the next few years. But he is injury prone. The
Bills have a good shot at double-digit wins this year despite him. If he
goes down, Losman has shown he can come in relief and win games (e.g. Jets
last year). If the Bills have to put Baker or the other putz in, it will be
a disaster of Burmese cyclone proportions.

On May 9, 8:36 am, "Geoff" wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote:
> > On May 6, 4:04 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
> >> glw82664 wrote:
> >>>> It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds
> >>>> shoulders now.
>
> >>> So then, what sense does it make to keep a pricey backup on the
> >>> squad?
>
> >> Money is not the issue, believe me. I'd rather have Losman on the
> >> sideline in case of emergency than Baker. Losman has tools. Baker
> >> has nothing.
>
> > What tools does JP have really?To me he hasn't shown me anything that
> > would say keep him over a off the street guy.Unless he can play
> > WR.
>
> Are you kidding? The guy has a gun. He's slow on the draw and is only
> slightly more likely to hit one of our receivers than one of the
> cheerleaders. In comparison to Baker, who is little more than your average
> * off the street, Losman is * Steve Young.
>

Jeff George and Rob Johnson have a gun.Neither play QB worth a
*.Same with Losman.Also Losman's so called "gun" is way overrated.I
would say he is average on arm strenth with the rest of the NFL.I
agree he is very very very inaccurate.Very very very inconsistent as
well.That's the two biggest things you need to be a decent NFL QB.I
never ever said Baker was the answer at backup.Have to see him in some
preseason games.


> Baker was a better lax player than quarterback. UNC football is a joke. He
> was recruited for lacrosse, saw he played quarterback in high school and had
> an extra helmet. Suit up kid.
>
> Edwards is the future for the next few years. But he is injury prone. The
> Bills have a good shot at double-digit wins this year despite him. If he
> goes down, Losman has shown he can come in relief and win games (e.g. Jets
> last year). If the Bills have to put Baker or the other putz in, it will be
> a disaster of Burmese cyclone proportions.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hopefully Edwards is the future for 10 or 15 more years.He has been
injured I will give you that.Learning how to stay healthy and on the
field is something Edwards has to work on.Putting in time in the
offseason is a big part of that.
Almost every rookie QB goes through this.He has to learn how to play
hurt too.
I think he could have played the week following the Jets game but the
staff went back to Losman.No way the Bills win double digit games
despite Edwards.
He will have to step up his game and win some game that the defense
doesn't play well.We had 4 very easy games in the division last
year.The Jets and the Dolphins arn't going to be that bad this year.

JP showed he can come in and beat one of the worst teams in NFL.He has
also showed as a starter he just isn't that good a QB.I do think we
can get a QB before the season starts that is a better QB then
Losman.I think you overrate his talent.He is a below average NFL
QB.I'm not making up his stats and his record as a starter,it's all
facts.To me a below average QB that will be a cancer in the locker
room is not worth keeping.

Kountzeguy wrote in
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> On May 9, 8:36 am, "Geoff" wrote:
>> Kountzeguy wrote:
>> > On May 6, 4:04 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
>> >> glw82664 wrote:
>> >>>> It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds
>> >>>> shoulders now.
>>
>> >>> So then, what sense does it make to keep a pricey backup on the
>> >>> squad?
>>
>> >> Money is not the issue, believe me. I'd rather have Losman on the
>> >> sideline in case of emergency than Baker. Losman has tools. Baker
>> >> has nothing.
>>
>> > What tools does JP have really?To me he hasn't shown me anything
>> > that would say keep him over a off the street guy.Unless he can
>> > play WR.
>>
>> Are you kidding? The guy has a gun. He's slow on the draw and is only
>> slightly more likely to hit one of our receivers than one of the
>> cheerleaders. In comparison to Baker, who is little more than your
>> average
>
>> * off the street, Losman is * Steve Young.
>>
>
> Jeff George and Rob Johnson have a gun.Neither play QB worth a
> *.Same with Losman.Also Losman's so called "gun" is way overrated.I
> would say he is average on arm strenth with the rest of the NFL.I
> agree he is very very very inaccurate.Very very very inconsistent as
> well.That's the two biggest things you need to be a decent NFL QB.I
> never ever said Baker was the answer at backup.Have to see him in some
> preseason games.
>
>
>> Baker was a better lax player than quarterback. UNC football is a
>> joke. He
>
>> was recruited for lacrosse, saw he played quarterback in high school
>> and h
> ad
>> an extra helmet. Suit up kid.
>>
>> Edwards is the future for the next few years. But he is injury prone.
>> The Bills have a good shot at double-digit wins this year despite
>> him. If he goes down, Losman has shown he can come in relief and win
>> games (e.g. Jets
>
>> last year). If the Bills have to put Baker or the other putz in, it
>> will b
> e
>> a disaster of Burmese cyclone proportions.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hopefully Edwards is the future for 10 or 15 more years.He has been
> injured I will give you that.Learning how to stay healthy and on the
> field is something Edwards has to work on.Putting in time in the
> offseason is a big part of that.
> Almost every rookie QB goes through this.He has to learn how to play
> hurt too.
> I think he could have played the week following the Jets game but the
> staff went back to Losman.No way the Bills win double digit games
> despite Edwards.
> He will have to step up his game and win some game that the defense
> doesn't play well.We had 4 very easy games in the division last
> year.The Jets and the Dolphins arn't going to be that bad this year.
>
> JP showed he can come in and beat one of the worst teams in NFL.He has
> also showed as a starter he just isn't that good a QB.I do think we
> can get a QB before the season starts that is a better QB then
> Losman.I think you overrate his talent.He is a below average NFL
> QB.I'm not making up his stats and his record as a starter,it's all
> facts.



>To me a below average QB that will be a cancer in the locker
> room is not worth keeping.


That clears JP.
If you think JP will be a cancer in the lockkeroom, I would like to know
what you are basing that theory on?

JP has already said he will fulfill his last year of his contract. While
he has not been the savior at QB, he has been a model citizen and player
in pretty much every aspect. JP has already shown up for the optional
off season training, and during such time has not uttered a peep.

At this point, I seriously am beginning to think people who believe JP
will be a cancer are the people who just want JP gone regardless of
everything else.



Night

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> Kountzeguy wrote in
> news:83c108b0-c3de-4f10-ab72-bc423c287416@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On May 9, 8:36 am, "Geoff" wrote:
>>> Kountzeguy wrote:
>>> > On May 6, 4:04 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
>>> >> glw82664 wrote:
>>> >>>> It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds
>>> >>>> shoulders now.
>>>
>>> >>> So then, what sense does it make to keep a pricey backup on the
>>> >>> squad?
>>>
>>> >> Money is not the issue, believe me. I'd rather have Losman on the
>>> >> sideline in case of emergency than Baker. Losman has tools. Baker
>>> >> has nothing.
>>>
>>> > What tools does JP have really?To me he hasn't shown me anything
>>> > that would say keep him over a off the street guy.Unless he can
>>> > play WR.
>>>
>>> Are you kidding? The guy has a gun. He's slow on the draw and is only
>>> slightly more likely to hit one of our receivers than one of the
>>> cheerleaders. In comparison to Baker, who is little more than your
>>> average
>>
>>> * off the street, Losman is * Steve Young.
>>>
>>
>> Jeff George and Rob Johnson have a gun.Neither play QB worth a
>> *.Same with Losman.Also Losman's so called "gun" is way overrated.I
>> would say he is average on arm strenth with the rest of the NFL.I
>> agree he is very very very inaccurate.Very very very inconsistent as
>> well.That's the two biggest things you need to be a decent NFL QB.I
>> never ever said Baker was the answer at backup.Have to see him in some
>> preseason games.
>>
>>
>>> Baker was a better lax player than quarterback. UNC football is a
>>> joke. He
>>
>>> was recruited for lacrosse, saw he played quarterback in high school
>>> and h
>> ad
>>> an extra helmet. Suit up kid.
>>>
>>> Edwards is the future for the next few years. But he is injury prone.
>>> The Bills have a good shot at double-digit wins this year despite
>>> him. If he goes down, Losman has shown he can come in relief and win
>>> games (e.g. Jets
>>
>>> last year). If the Bills have to put Baker or the other putz in, it
>>> will b
>> e
>>> a disaster of Burmese cyclone proportions.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Hopefully Edwards is the future for 10 or 15 more years.He has been
>> injured I will give you that.Learning how to stay healthy and on the
>> field is something Edwards has to work on.Putting in time in the
>> offseason is a big part of that.
>> Almost every rookie QB goes through this.He has to learn how to play
>> hurt too.
>> I think he could have played the week following the Jets game but the
>> staff went back to Losman.No way the Bills win double digit games
>> despite Edwards.
>> He will have to step up his game and win some game that the defense
>> doesn't play well.We had 4 very easy games in the division last
>> year.The Jets and the Dolphins arn't going to be that bad this year.
>>
>> JP showed he can come in and beat one of the worst teams in NFL.He has
>> also showed as a starter he just isn't that good a QB.I do think we
>> can get a QB before the season starts that is a better QB then
>> Losman.I think you overrate his talent.He is a below average NFL
>> QB.I'm not making up his stats and his record as a starter,it's all
>> facts.
>
>
>
>>To me a below average QB that will be a cancer in the locker
>> room is not worth keeping.
>
>
> That clears JP.
> If you think JP will be a cancer in the lockkeroom, I would like to know
> what you are basing that theory on?
>
> JP has already said he will fulfill his last year of his contract. While
> he has not been the savior at QB, he has been a model citizen and player
> in pretty much every aspect. JP has already shown up for the optional
> off season training, and during such time has not uttered a peep.

Absolutely right on this. JP has everything to lose and nothing to gain by
causing problems on the team. When he becomes a free-agent, his market
value is not going to be high to begin with. Most likely he will be signed
as a back-up, and teams will be looking for "good citizens", not someone
chafing (sp?) in the role. On the other hand, if Edwards goes down, JP will
be given opportunity to display his talents. We may not think much of them,
but he does. Actually, from the Bills perspective, it's better that it's
his free-agent year. If he still had a couple of years to go on the
contract, then some problems might arise. Say what you like about his
abilities as a quarterback, but JP has heretofore not shown anything other
than he is a class guy off the playing field.

> > Jeff George and Rob Johnson have a gun.Neither play QB worth a
> > *.Same with Losman.Also Losman's so called "gun" is way overrated.I
> > would say he is average on arm strenth with the rest of the NFL.I
> > agree he is very very very inaccurate.Very very very inconsistent as
> > well.That's the two biggest things you need to be a decent NFL QB.I
> > never ever said Baker was the answer at backup.Have to see him in some
> > preseason games.
>
> >> Baker was a better lax player than quarterback. UNC football is a
> >> joke. He
>
> what you are basing that theory on?

Well im going on the stuff he said last year.Also his agent said that
he wanted out of Buffalo.

>
> JP has already said he will fulfill his last year of his contract. While
> he has not been the savior at QB, he has been a model citizen and player
> in pretty much every aspect. JP has already shown up for the optional
> off season training, and during such time has not uttered a peep.

Well I havn't heard about any of this.I think he is doing this because
he knows no one else wants him.He is coming up on FA has to do the
right thing.I think he is still bitter about it no matter what he says
or does.I think that will effect the team and Edwards in some way.To
me it seems like the team is just holding on to him still hopeing he
will get good all the sudden.I think maybe your holding out hope that
he will be good too.Regardless of his play of the field.


>
> At this point, I seriously am beginning to think people who believe JP
> will be a cancer are the people who just want JP gone regardless of
> everything else.

I will be the first to say im not a JP Losman fan.Hated him from the
day we drafted him.I think it was one of the worst draft picks in
Bills history.If we wanted a QB that year we should have moved up and
got one of the top 3
QB's.Two of which now have super bowl rings.Also could have had Matt
Schaub in the 4th round.I had that draft highly rated on QBs.The best
sinse
the Elway,Kelly,Marino draft.We ended up getting the strong arm
project
QB.

If JP showed me that he was so much better then other backup QBs I
would say keep him.I think he sucks as a QB and that's the main reason
I
say let him go.His low talent isn't worth the baggage.

Kountzeguy wrote:

>>> What tools does JP have really?To me he hasn't shown me anything
>>> that would say keep him over a off the street guy.Unless he can play
>>> WR.
>>
>> Are you kidding? The guy has a gun. He's slow on the draw and is only
>> slightly more likely to hit one of our receivers than one of the
>> cheerleaders. In comparison to Baker, who is little more than your
>> average * off the street, Losman is * Steve Young.
>>
>
> Jeff George and Rob Johnson have a gun.Neither play QB worth a
> *.Same with Losman.Also Losman's so called "gun" is way overrated.I
> would say he is average on arm strenth with the rest of the NFL.I
> agree he is very very very inaccurate.Very very very inconsistent as
> well.That's the two biggest things you need to be a decent NFL QB.I
> never ever said Baker was the answer at backup.Have to see him in some
> preseason games.

You asked me what tools does he have. He has a gun. Maybe that's it, but
it's * more than what Baker has.

>> Baker was a better lax player than quarterback. UNC football is a
>> joke. He was recruited for lacrosse, saw he played quarterback in
>> high school and had an extra helmet. Suit up kid.
>>
>> Edwards is the future for the next few years. But he is injury
>> prone. The Bills have a good shot at double-digit wins this year
>> despite him. If he goes down, Losman has shown he can come in relief
>> and win games (e.g. Jets last year). If the Bills have to put Baker
>> or the other putz in, it will be a disaster of Burmese cyclone
>> proportions.- Hide quoted text -
>
>To me a below average QB that will be a cancer in the locker
> room is not worth keeping.

And you think Baker is anything but? Baker is below average for a college
QB. He doesn't belong in the NFL unless his job is filling the whirlpool.

Claude wrote:

> Absolutely right on this. JP has everything to lose and nothing to
> gain by causing problems on the team. When he becomes a free-agent,
> his market value is not going to be high to begin with. Most likely
> he will be signed as a back-up, and teams will be looking for "good
> citizens", not someone chafing (sp?) in the role. On the other hand,
> if Edwards goes down, JP will be given opportunity to display his
> talents. We may not think much of them, but he does. Actually, from
> the Bills perspective, it's better that it's his free-agent year. If
> he still had a couple of years to go on the contract, then some
> problems might arise. Say what you like about his abilities as a
> quarterback, but JP has heretofore not shown anything other than he
> is a class guy off the playing field.

Spot on. He won't be a cancer. He's not the ideal backup as Edwards can't
really learn much from him, but neither of the other two scmucks are worth a
*.

Kountzeguy wrote:

> Well I havn't heard about any of this.I think he is doing this because
> he knows no one else wants him.He is coming up on FA has to do the
> right thing.I think he is still bitter about it no matter what he says
> or does.I think that will effect the team and Edwards in some way.To
> me it seems like the team is just holding on to him still hopeing he
> will get good all the sudden.I think maybe your holding out hope that
> he will be good too.Regardless of his play of the field.

If it affects Edwards in any way, he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL
QB.

> If JP showed me that he was so much better then other backup QBs I
> would say keep him.I think he sucks as a QB and that's the main reason
> I say let him go.His low talent isn't worth the baggage.

Wait till you see Baker play.

"Geoff" wrote in message
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> Kountzeguy wrote:
>
>> Well I havn't heard about any of this.I think he is doing this because
>> he knows no one else wants him.He is coming up on FA has to do the
>> right thing.I think he is still bitter about it no matter what he says
>> or does.I think that will effect the team and Edwards in some way.To
>> me it seems like the team is just holding on to him still hopeing he
>> will get good all the sudden.I think maybe your holding out hope that
>> he will be good too.Regardless of his play of the field.
>
> If it affects Edwards in any way, he doesn't have what it takes to be an
> NFL QB.
>
>> If JP showed me that he was so much better then other backup QBs I
>> would say keep him.I think he sucks as a QB and that's the main reason
>> I say let him go.His low talent isn't worth the baggage.
>
> Wait till you see Baker play.

ummm...I hope we don't....Seeing him take a snap in the game other than to
take a knee to run out the clock will mean we are in some serious *... :)

IYM