by Kountzeguy on Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:32 pm
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> > I thought
> > maybe you could think alittle.
>
> I am. Clearly, you are not.
>
> > Use your commen sense,with out DF
> > bias.You can't tell me what you think would be the results of the
> > poll?
>
> Fine. You want a result?
> 23% would agree with you.
The funny part about this is I bet you believe this.Because you have a
large amount of hate for DF,Because your RJ guy.
>
>
>> >> > No your bias is that you were a Rob Johnson guy.
>
> Typical Flutie Flake.
> You are still unable to discuss Flutie's abilities WITHOUT bringing up
> Rob Johnson.
>
Your saying im bias because im a Flake.But mfer I can't say your bias
about DF because of your man crush on RJ?That sounds very one sided to
me.
>
> > > > He was never givin the shot to be the man on
> > any team.
>
> Yes he was, more than once on different teams.
> In 1985, he was given the starting QB position for Generals prior to the
> start of the season.
> In 1999, he was awarded the starting QB position for the Buffalo Bills
> prior to the start of the season.
> In 2001, he signed on with the San Diego Chargers, and was given the
> starting QB position prior to the start of the season.
Being the man and being name the starter is totaly different things.Do
you know this?JP Losman was named the starter last year but the team
went out and drafted a QB.
>
> In all 3 cases, every team by the end of the year was looking to bench
> his *.
>
The Bears was at the start of his career.The Bills benched him because
of RJ.It wasn't because of his play on the field!The two years before
that he was in the playoffs.The last year RJ got to be the starter and
the season went to *. By the end on the year DF had taken back the
starting job.If Wade Phillips wasn't fired DF would have been the QB
the next year.
The chargers LMAO!That was one of the worst talented teams in the
NFL,I ever seen.Drew Brees and LT couldn't even help that team win
games.Drew Brees was almost ran out of the NFL with the lack of talent
around him.They didn't get talent till 2 or 3 years after that.
> > If he did get the shot to stay with one team for 7 or 8 years
> > he would have the stats and the playoff wins.Their was always a
> > promising "Rob Johnson" to take his spot.
>
> Here's a tip for you.
>
> THATS A * CLUE.
>
> If Flutie was as good as you "claim" he was, the teams would NOT be
> looking for another QB to replace him.
Thank you for making my point for me.He is 5,9 and does not have a
strong arm.Grass is always greener thing.No one stuck with him.What
the team didn't understand is that DF was winning games with bad
teams.They thought they had a good team just needed a good QB.
>
> Also, Flutie did start in two playoff games, and lost them both.
Yes.If he had the chance to be the man with one team,He would have
made the playoffs more times.He would have won playoff games believe
it or not.
He only had 2 shots at it.
>
>
>
> >> This entire collection is what I base my assessment on. Until
> >> somebody can present me evidence that shows otherwise, Doug Flutie
> >> was an average QB in the American game.
>
> > Very weak.
>
> >> Let me guess (and based on the "evidence" you so far have presented),
> >> your assessment of Fluite as being "above-average" is based soley on
> >> his playing days in Buffalo.
>
> > It's based on every game he played in.
>
> Yet, when I listed all the teams he has played on, you said that had
> nothing to do with his being "above-average".
>
> Was he above average in 1985 when he threw 13 TD, 14 Ints and completed
> 48% of his passes?
> Was he above average in 1989 when completed 40% of his passes?
> Was he above average in 1999 when he scored 20 TDs, but coughed up the
> ball 20 times?
> Was he above average in the 1998 Dolphins playoff game where he scored 1
> TD, but coughed up the ball 3 times?
> Was he above average in 1986 when he started for the defending SB
> champion Bears in their only playoff appearance, and promptly threw 1
> TD, 2 picks, and completed 36% of his passes?
> Was he above average in 2001 when he scored 16 TD's, but coughed up the
> ball 20 times?
> Was he above average in 2001 vs. KC when he threw 1 pick, 0 TD, and
> compiled a QB rating of 23?
> Was he above average in 2001 vs. Oak when he scored 0 TDs, threw 3 INTs,
> and compiled a QB rating of 35?
You go from the 80's to the 90's to the playoffs to regular season
games.Your all over the place finding his worst games.You can base
everything you want on any stat you come up with.I watched the games.I
seen DF play.He won games with teams he had no right winning with.He
made every team he played with better.The Bills looked like the worst
team in the NFL when Todd Collins and RJ QBed the same team as
DF.Teams that he took to the playoffs!Yes both of these guys
sucked(Collins is decent now)but a average QB doesn't
just fill in at QB and take one of the worst teams to one of the best
teams.
You have to be above average to make that much of a change in a team
by
just starting with no change in the talent around you.
>
> Was he above average when every team he has played on (in the American
> game) went looking for somebody better?
>
> For an "above average" QB, that is a bunch of black marks.
>
> But here is *your* rationale to date;
>
> He was better than some POS QB.
> He is a top 5 Bills QB.
> In some * imaginary poll you created in your head (and not based
> on real evidence), you are *sure* the opponent players would rate Flutie
> above average.
He is better then your average NFL QB.He is top 5.Yes im sure of it.
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