Bills sign QB Matt Baker
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by Kountzeguy on Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:45 pm
> Did not the "better" QB achieve the same result as the "sucky" QB?
How is taking a team to the playoffs two years and a QB never getting
close to playoffs the same?
>
> > Didn't Rob
> > Johnson
> > get his shot at being the starter the next few years.Which turned out
> > to be
> > very very very very bad years.No where near the playoffs.
>
> > So Rob Johnson is maybe the worst QB in Bills history.Doug Flutie is a
> > above average QB.
>
> For somebody that has stressed sacks and turnovers lead to losses, I
> find it interesting you claim DF was an "above average" QB.
> Do you realize DF TD/Turnover ratio was bad? Not "bad *", just bad.
It doesn't mater when you win games and make the playoffs.Yes a great
QB is better at turnovers.I never said Flutie was great.Just above
average.
>
> > Just my thinking putting in a much better QB in that
> > playoff game gives us a better chance of winning.
>
> And if I buy $100 worth of Lotto tickets instead of a $1 worth, I
> increase my chance of winning a hundred fold. Same result, however.
Ok if you win 100,000 on that Lotto ticket is that the same as winning
nothing?
Yeah you would like to win the millions but 100,000 is good.Same as
Flutie
making the playoffs but not winning the SB.Rob Johnson barely won any
games in the NFL!Not the same results *!If both didn't make the
playoffs
that would be the same results.
>
> > I maybe wrong.Having
> > much worse players might be better.Maybe if we could have replaced
> > Bruce Smith with Ryan Denny we could have won 4 SBs.
>
> Here's the problem. Nobody is disagreeing with you that RJ sucked.
> The disagreement is over the perceived value of Flutie.
> You are the only person in here that still thinks Flutie is "above
> average". Most people in here have come to accept the reality Flutie was
> nothing more than below-average to average.
Well that's sad if im the only one that thinks that.Because clear as
* day your average QB does not make the playoffs two
times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He did above average of what his fellow NFL
QBs did.
>
> And spare me the "he was better than RJ" as some kind of measuring
> stick.
Duh!I am telling you he is better because you seem to think they had
the same kinda career.
>
> The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
> Bills history.
If you think he is the second worse QB in Bills history you need to
quit watching football and pick up golf.The guy is top 5 in Bills
history at QB.Name me 5 better please.
>
> > I will stick with thinking we would have won that game with Flutie.
>
> You stick with that thought, because that is all you have left.
>
I will stick with that don't worry.
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by night on Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:32 pm
Kountzeguy wrote in news:cea2d9ba-3927-4047-8609-
f7111872b447@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Did not the "better" QB achieve the same result as the "sucky" QB?
>
> How is taking a team to the playoffs two years and a QB never getting
> close to playoffs the same?
You really need to quit shifting your argument. This was a discussion of
DF would have won the Titans playoff game, was it not?
What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
Did not Flutie start and play this game?
What was the result of the 99 playoff game vs. the Titans?
Did not RJ start and play this game?
Once again, what was the end result of both playoff games?
>> For somebody that has stressed sacks and turnovers lead to losses, I
>> find it interesting you claim DF was an "above average" QB.
>> Do you realize DF TD/Turnover ratio was bad? Not "bad *", just bad.
>
> It doesn't mater when you win games and make the playoffs.Yes a great
> QB is better at turnovers.I never said Flutie was great.Just above
> average.
Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
the Dolphins?
>
>>
>> > Just my thinking putting in a much better QB in that
>> > playoff game gives us a better chance of winning.
>>
>> And if I buy $100 worth of Lotto tickets instead of a $1 worth, I
>> increase my chance of winning a hundred fold. Same result, however.
>
> Ok if you win 100,000 on that Lotto ticket is that the same as winning
> nothing?
> Yeah you would like to win the millions but 100,000 is good.Same as
> Flutie
> making the playoffs but not winning the SB.Rob Johnson barely won any
> games in the NFL!Not the same results *!If both didn't make the
> playoffs
> that would be the same results.
Again, This discussion was about "Flutie would have won the Titans
game", NOT who was the better QB.
In the above scenario, even if I were to win 100k, I still failed to
"win" the jackpot (a/k/a the game).
If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
differently?
No doubt he would have.
However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
Titans game.
>
>
>>
>> > I maybe wrong.Having
>> > much worse players might be better.Maybe if we could have replaced
>> > Bruce Smith with Ryan Denny we could have won 4 SBs.
>>
>> Here's the problem. Nobody is disagreeing with you that RJ sucked.
>> The disagreement is over the perceived value of Flutie.
>> You are the only person in here that still thinks Flutie is "above
>> average". Most people in here have come to accept the reality Flutie
was
>> nothing more than below-average to average.
>
> Well that's sad if im the only one that thinks that.Because clear as
> * day your average QB does not make the playoffs two
> times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He did above average of what his fellow NFL
> QBs did.
Scott Mitchell?
Jay Fielder?
Chad Pennington?
Trent Dilfer?
Shaun King?
These guys are all "above average"?
>> And spare me the "he was better than RJ" as some kind of measuring
>> stick.
>
> Duh!I am telling you he is better because you seem to think they had
> the same kinda career.
Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his car
is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has the
word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
In the greater scheme of autos, both cars were POS.
In the greater scheme of QBs, Flutie was average.
>> The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
>> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
>> Bills history.
>
> If you think he is the second worse QB in Bills history you need to
> quit watching football and pick up golf.The guy is top 5 in Bills
> history at QB.Name me 5 better please.
Maybe this will clear my stance:
"The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
Bills history. Where Flutie actually ranks is debateable."
Could Flutie be in the "top 5" of Bills QB's. Possibly, once you
consider the "stiff" competition he's matched up against.
Todd Collins, Billy Joe Hobert, Joe Dufek, ...
Heck, one could make an argument Frank Reich belongs in the top 5, and
he was a career back up.
Night
Night
f7111872b447@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Did not the "better" QB achieve the same result as the "sucky" QB?
>
> How is taking a team to the playoffs two years and a QB never getting
> close to playoffs the same?
You really need to quit shifting your argument. This was a discussion of
DF would have won the Titans playoff game, was it not?
What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
Did not Flutie start and play this game?
What was the result of the 99 playoff game vs. the Titans?
Did not RJ start and play this game?
Once again, what was the end result of both playoff games?
>> For somebody that has stressed sacks and turnovers lead to losses, I
>> find it interesting you claim DF was an "above average" QB.
>> Do you realize DF TD/Turnover ratio was bad? Not "bad *", just bad.
>
> It doesn't mater when you win games and make the playoffs.Yes a great
> QB is better at turnovers.I never said Flutie was great.Just above
> average.
Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
the Dolphins?
>
>>
>> > Just my thinking putting in a much better QB in that
>> > playoff game gives us a better chance of winning.
>>
>> And if I buy $100 worth of Lotto tickets instead of a $1 worth, I
>> increase my chance of winning a hundred fold. Same result, however.
>
> Ok if you win 100,000 on that Lotto ticket is that the same as winning
> nothing?
> Yeah you would like to win the millions but 100,000 is good.Same as
> Flutie
> making the playoffs but not winning the SB.Rob Johnson barely won any
> games in the NFL!Not the same results *!If both didn't make the
> playoffs
> that would be the same results.
Again, This discussion was about "Flutie would have won the Titans
game", NOT who was the better QB.
In the above scenario, even if I were to win 100k, I still failed to
"win" the jackpot (a/k/a the game).
If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
differently?
No doubt he would have.
However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
Titans game.
>
>
>>
>> > I maybe wrong.Having
>> > much worse players might be better.Maybe if we could have replaced
>> > Bruce Smith with Ryan Denny we could have won 4 SBs.
>>
>> Here's the problem. Nobody is disagreeing with you that RJ sucked.
>> The disagreement is over the perceived value of Flutie.
>> You are the only person in here that still thinks Flutie is "above
>> average". Most people in here have come to accept the reality Flutie
was
>> nothing more than below-average to average.
>
> Well that's sad if im the only one that thinks that.Because clear as
> * day your average QB does not make the playoffs two
> times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He did above average of what his fellow NFL
> QBs did.
Scott Mitchell?
Jay Fielder?
Chad Pennington?
Trent Dilfer?
Shaun King?
These guys are all "above average"?
>> And spare me the "he was better than RJ" as some kind of measuring
>> stick.
>
> Duh!I am telling you he is better because you seem to think they had
> the same kinda career.
Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his car
is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has the
word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
In the greater scheme of autos, both cars were POS.
In the greater scheme of QBs, Flutie was average.
>> The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
>> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
>> Bills history.
>
> If you think he is the second worse QB in Bills history you need to
> quit watching football and pick up golf.The guy is top 5 in Bills
> history at QB.Name me 5 better please.
Maybe this will clear my stance:
"The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
Bills history. Where Flutie actually ranks is debateable."
Could Flutie be in the "top 5" of Bills QB's. Possibly, once you
consider the "stiff" competition he's matched up against.
Todd Collins, Billy Joe Hobert, Joe Dufek, ...
Heck, one could make an argument Frank Reich belongs in the top 5, and
he was a career back up.
Night
Night
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by Kountzeguy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:35 pm
On Jun 23, 3:32 pm, night wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote in news:cea2d9ba-3927-4047-8609-
> f7111872b...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> >> Did not the "better" QB achieve the same result as the "sucky" QB?
>
> > How is taking a team to the playoffs two years and a QB never getting
> > close to playoffs the same?
>
> You really need to quit shifting your argument. This was a discussion of
> DF would have won the Titans playoff game, was it not?
I didn't shift anything.You started talking about both of them
sucking.Which is not true.
>
> What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
> Did not Flutie start and play this game?
Whats your point?HE TOOK THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS!Something Rob
Johnson didn't have a chance in * doing with the same talent.When
Rob Johnson got his shot the team won very few games.To me that shows
me how much better Flutie was and that he is above average.Not many
QBs could have taken that team to the playoffs with that bad a Oline.
>
> What was the result of the 99 playoff game vs. the Titans?
> Did not RJ start and play this game?
He is the worst QB I have ever seen in the NFL.That includes Ryan
Leaf.So
if someone that bad almost beat the Titans,I think a above average QB
could do it.
>
> Once again, what was the end result of both playoff games?
>
> >> For somebody that has stressed sacks and turnovers lead to losses, I
> >> find it interesting you claim DF was an "above average" QB.
> >> Do you realize DF TD/Turnover ratio was bad? Not "bad *", just bad.
>
> > It doesn't mater when you win games and make the playoffs.Yes a great
> > QB is better at turnovers.I never said Flutie was great.Just above
> > average.
>
> Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
Yes they matter.You dont win SBs with QB play like this.You can make
the playoffs tho.
>
> You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
> the Dolphins?
I seen him get blind sided at the goalline.Yeah he should have seen
that guy coming from behind him.With a half decent line we could have
went deeper in the playoffs both years.Had to have been the worse
Oline ever.He took that worse Oline ever to the playoffs two years
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > Just my thinking putting in a much better QB in that
> >> > playoff game gives us a better chance of winning.
>
> >> And if I buy $100 worth of Lotto tickets instead of a $1 worth, I
> >> increase my chance of winning a hundred fold. Same result, however.
>
> > Ok if you win 100,000 on that Lotto ticket is that the same as winning
> > nothing?
> > Yeah you would like to win the millions but 100,000 is good.Same as
> > Flutie
> > making the playoffs but not winning the SB.Rob Johnson barely won any
> > games in the NFL!Not the same results *!If both didn't make the
> > playoffs
> > that would be the same results.
>
> Again, This discussion was about "Flutie would have won the Titans
> game", NOT who was the better QB.
You said they both sucked in their careers.One did,one didn't.
>
> In the above scenario, even if I were to win 100k, I still failed to
> "win" the jackpot (a/k/a the game).
>
> If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
> differently?
> No doubt he would have.
> However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
> And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
> Titans game.
He is way better then the guy that almost won the game.A guy with the
same flaws plus a billion more.That's my argument.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > I maybe wrong.Having
> >> > much worse players might be better.Maybe if we could have replaced
> >> > Bruce Smith with Ryan Denny we could have won 4 SBs.
>
> >> Here's the problem. Nobody is disagreeing with you that RJ sucked.
> >> The disagreement is over the perceived value of Flutie.
> >> You are the only person in here that still thinks Flutie is "above
> >> average". Most people in here have come to accept the reality Flutie
> was
> >> nothing more than below-average to average.
>
> > Well that's sad if im the only one that thinks that.Because clear as
> > * day your average QB does not make the playoffs two
> > times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He did above average of what his fellow NFL
> > QBs did.
>
> Scott Mitchell?
> Jay Fielder?
> Chad Pennington?
> Trent Dilfer?
> Shaun King?
Scott Mitchell isn't nor Shaun King.The rest are above average yes.
>
> These guys are all "above average"?
>
> >> And spare me the "he was better than RJ" as some kind of measuring
> >> stick.
>
> > Duh!I am telling you he is better because you seem to think they had
> > the same kinda career.
>
> Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his car
> is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has the
> word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
You sound like a guy that does not know football.My car got me to the
indy 500.Your car did not even start.That makes my car better.
>
> In the greater scheme of autos, both cars were POS.
> In the greater scheme of QBs, Flutie was average.
>
> >> The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
> >> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
> >> Bills history.
>
> > If you think he is the second worse QB in Bills history you need to
> > quit watching football and pick up golf.The guy is top 5 in Bills
> > history at QB.Name me 5 better please.
>
> Maybe this will clear my stance:
>
> "The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
> Bills history. Where Flutie actually ranks is debateable."
>
> Could Flutie be in the "top 5" of Bills QB's. Possibly, once you
> consider the "stiff" competition he's matched up against.
> Todd Collins, Billy Joe Hobert, Joe Dufek, ...
> Heck, one could make an argument Frank Reich belongs in the top 5, and
> he was a career back up.
Frank Reich is in the top 5,no maybe about it.You can call him a
career back up if you like.I watched the games he was much much more
then that.He was a huge part of the early 90's bills.Flutie is top 5
is my point and its a fact.
>
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> f7111872b...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> >> Did not the "better" QB achieve the same result as the "sucky" QB?
>
> > How is taking a team to the playoffs two years and a QB never getting
> > close to playoffs the same?
>
> You really need to quit shifting your argument. This was a discussion of
> DF would have won the Titans playoff game, was it not?
I didn't shift anything.You started talking about both of them
sucking.Which is not true.
>
> What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
> Did not Flutie start and play this game?
Whats your point?HE TOOK THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS!Something Rob
Johnson didn't have a chance in * doing with the same talent.When
Rob Johnson got his shot the team won very few games.To me that shows
me how much better Flutie was and that he is above average.Not many
QBs could have taken that team to the playoffs with that bad a Oline.
>
> What was the result of the 99 playoff game vs. the Titans?
> Did not RJ start and play this game?
He is the worst QB I have ever seen in the NFL.That includes Ryan
Leaf.So
if someone that bad almost beat the Titans,I think a above average QB
could do it.
>
> Once again, what was the end result of both playoff games?
>
> >> For somebody that has stressed sacks and turnovers lead to losses, I
> >> find it interesting you claim DF was an "above average" QB.
> >> Do you realize DF TD/Turnover ratio was bad? Not "bad *", just bad.
>
> > It doesn't mater when you win games and make the playoffs.Yes a great
> > QB is better at turnovers.I never said Flutie was great.Just above
> > average.
>
> Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
Yes they matter.You dont win SBs with QB play like this.You can make
the playoffs tho.
>
> You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
> the Dolphins?
I seen him get blind sided at the goalline.Yeah he should have seen
that guy coming from behind him.With a half decent line we could have
went deeper in the playoffs both years.Had to have been the worse
Oline ever.He took that worse Oline ever to the playoffs two years
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > Just my thinking putting in a much better QB in that
> >> > playoff game gives us a better chance of winning.
>
> >> And if I buy $100 worth of Lotto tickets instead of a $1 worth, I
> >> increase my chance of winning a hundred fold. Same result, however.
>
> > Ok if you win 100,000 on that Lotto ticket is that the same as winning
> > nothing?
> > Yeah you would like to win the millions but 100,000 is good.Same as
> > Flutie
> > making the playoffs but not winning the SB.Rob Johnson barely won any
> > games in the NFL!Not the same results *!If both didn't make the
> > playoffs
> > that would be the same results.
>
> Again, This discussion was about "Flutie would have won the Titans
> game", NOT who was the better QB.
You said they both sucked in their careers.One did,one didn't.
>
> In the above scenario, even if I were to win 100k, I still failed to
> "win" the jackpot (a/k/a the game).
>
> If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
> differently?
> No doubt he would have.
> However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
> And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
> Titans game.
He is way better then the guy that almost won the game.A guy with the
same flaws plus a billion more.That's my argument.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > I maybe wrong.Having
> >> > much worse players might be better.Maybe if we could have replaced
> >> > Bruce Smith with Ryan Denny we could have won 4 SBs.
>
> >> Here's the problem. Nobody is disagreeing with you that RJ sucked.
> >> The disagreement is over the perceived value of Flutie.
> >> You are the only person in here that still thinks Flutie is "above
> >> average". Most people in here have come to accept the reality Flutie
> was
> >> nothing more than below-average to average.
>
> > Well that's sad if im the only one that thinks that.Because clear as
> > * day your average QB does not make the playoffs two
> > times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He did above average of what his fellow NFL
> > QBs did.
>
> Scott Mitchell?
> Jay Fielder?
> Chad Pennington?
> Trent Dilfer?
> Shaun King?
Scott Mitchell isn't nor Shaun King.The rest are above average yes.
>
> These guys are all "above average"?
>
> >> And spare me the "he was better than RJ" as some kind of measuring
> >> stick.
>
> > Duh!I am telling you he is better because you seem to think they had
> > the same kinda career.
>
> Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his car
> is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has the
> word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
You sound like a guy that does not know football.My car got me to the
indy 500.Your car did not even start.That makes my car better.
>
> In the greater scheme of autos, both cars were POS.
> In the greater scheme of QBs, Flutie was average.
>
> >> The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
> >> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
> >> Bills history.
>
> > If you think he is the second worse QB in Bills history you need to
> > quit watching football and pick up golf.The guy is top 5 in Bills
> > history at QB.Name me 5 better please.
>
> Maybe this will clear my stance:
>
> "The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
> Bills history. Where Flutie actually ranks is debateable."
>
> Could Flutie be in the "top 5" of Bills QB's. Possibly, once you
> consider the "stiff" competition he's matched up against.
> Todd Collins, Billy Joe Hobert, Joe Dufek, ...
> Heck, one could make an argument Frank Reich belongs in the top 5, and
> he was a career back up.
Frank Reich is in the top 5,no maybe about it.You can call him a
career back up if you like.I watched the games he was much much more
then that.He was a huge part of the early 90's bills.Flutie is top 5
is my point and its a fact.
>
> Night
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by mr dudeharvarduniversity.edu on Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:21 am
On Jun 24, 8:35 pm, Kountzeguy wrote:
> then that.He was a huge part of the early 90's bills.Flutie is top 5
> is my point and its a fact.
You are either for Matt Baker or you are for the terrorists!!!
mr dude
> then that.He was a huge part of the early 90's bills.Flutie is top 5
> is my point and its a fact.
You are either for Matt Baker or you are for the terrorists!!!
mr dude
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by Bender on Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:33 pm
Who are you guys voting for President in November
Barrak Obama
John McBush
Bob Barr
Matt Baker
;-)
Barrak Obama
John McBush
Bob Barr
Matt Baker
;-)
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by night on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:33 am
Kountzeguy wrote in news:759a7b4d-7e7f-4530-91e1-
e18de78567bf@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 23, 3:32 pm, night wrote:
>> Kountzeguy wrote in news:cea2d9ba-3927-4047-
8609-
>> f7111872b...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> I didn't shift anything.You started talking about both of them
> sucking.Which is not true.
Actually, I believe it was Geoff who said they all sucked.
I got back into the discussion when you stated Flutie would have won the
Titans game. I disagreed.
So, you shifted the discussion from "Flutie would have won the Titans
game" to "DF was better than RJ".
>>
>> What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
>> Did not Flutie start and play this game?
>
> Whats your point?HE TOOK THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS!
Still does not prove Flutie would have won the Titans playoff game.
> Something Rob
> Johnson didn't have a chance in * doing with the same talent.When
> Rob Johnson got his shot the team won very few games.To me that shows
> me how much better Flutie was and that he is above average.
So let me get this straight.
Doug Flutie is an "above average" QB because he out played the "worst
ever" QB?
Wow.
I have always suspected Flutie fans of doing this, tying his
"greatness" to the "suckiness" of RJ. I now have proof. Thanks!
> He is the worst QB I have ever seen in the NFL.That includes Ryan
> Leaf.So
> if someone that bad almost beat the Titans,I think a above average QB
> could do it.
Elaborate. How does Flutie beat the Titans?
>> Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
>
> Yes they matter.You dont win SBs with QB play like this.You can make
> the playoffs tho.
Nor do you win playoff games, as DF showed when he played the Dolphins.
>>
>> You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
>> the Dolphins?
>
> I seen him get blind sided at the goalline.
You have "excused" one turnover away. How about the other two?
>> If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
>> differently?
>> No doubt he would have.
>> However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
>> And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
>> Titans game.
>
> He is way better then the guy that almost won the game.A guy with the
> same flaws plus a billion more.That's my argument.
They had different flaws.
RJ had a $.02 head, and no pocket presence.
Flutie had a weak arm, and a tendency to rush his decisions.
Teams did not defensively scheme the same way for both players.
>> Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his
car
>> is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has
the
>> word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
>
> You sound like a guy that does not know football.My car got me to the
> indy 500.Your car did not even start.That makes my car better.
Thaks for proving my point. Your "Chevette" is sooooo much better than
my Pinto.
All you proved was your car is better than my car. Nothing more.
You still failed to prove your car is NOT a POS, and is capable of doing
anything besides just "getting you there".
Night
e18de78567bf@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 23, 3:32 pm, night
>> Kountzeguy
8609-
>> f7111872b...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> I didn't shift anything.You started talking about both of them
> sucking.Which is not true.
Actually, I believe it was Geoff who said they all sucked.
I got back into the discussion when you stated Flutie would have won the
Titans game. I disagreed.
So, you shifted the discussion from "Flutie would have won the Titans
game" to "DF was better than RJ".
>>
>> What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
>> Did not Flutie start and play this game?
>
> Whats your point?HE TOOK THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS!
Still does not prove Flutie would have won the Titans playoff game.
> Something Rob
> Johnson didn't have a chance in * doing with the same talent.When
> Rob Johnson got his shot the team won very few games.To me that shows
> me how much better Flutie was and that he is above average.
So let me get this straight.
Doug Flutie is an "above average" QB because he out played the "worst
ever" QB?
Wow.
I have always suspected Flutie fans of doing this, tying his
"greatness" to the "suckiness" of RJ. I now have proof. Thanks!
> He is the worst QB I have ever seen in the NFL.That includes Ryan
> Leaf.So
> if someone that bad almost beat the Titans,I think a above average QB
> could do it.
Elaborate. How does Flutie beat the Titans?
>> Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
>
> Yes they matter.You dont win SBs with QB play like this.You can make
> the playoffs tho.
Nor do you win playoff games, as DF showed when he played the Dolphins.
>>
>> You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
>> the Dolphins?
>
> I seen him get blind sided at the goalline.
You have "excused" one turnover away. How about the other two?
>> If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
>> differently?
>> No doubt he would have.
>> However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
>> And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
>> Titans game.
>
> He is way better then the guy that almost won the game.A guy with the
> same flaws plus a billion more.That's my argument.
They had different flaws.
RJ had a $.02 head, and no pocket presence.
Flutie had a weak arm, and a tendency to rush his decisions.
Teams did not defensively scheme the same way for both players.
>> Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his
car
>> is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has
the
>> word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
>
> You sound like a guy that does not know football.My car got me to the
> indy 500.Your car did not even start.That makes my car better.
Thaks for proving my point. Your "Chevette" is sooooo much better than
my Pinto.
All you proved was your car is better than my car. Nothing more.
You still failed to prove your car is NOT a POS, and is capable of doing
anything besides just "getting you there".
Night
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by Geoff on Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:39 pm
Kountzeguy wrote:
>> The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
>> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
>> Bills history.
>
> If you think he is the second worse QB in Bills history you need to
> quit watching football and pick up golf.The guy is top 5 in Bills
> history at QB.Name me 5 better please.
Kelly, Ferguson, Reich, Kemp and, um, Tred.
So he's in the top 10 QB's of a franchise that historically has had * for
QB's. That doesn't make DF an above average QB, unless you just mean above
the Bills average.
>> The only stature Flutie can be assured of by beating out "maybe the
>> worst QB in Bills history" is he is at least the second worst QB in
>> Bills history.
>
> If you think he is the second worse QB in Bills history you need to
> quit watching football and pick up golf.The guy is top 5 in Bills
> history at QB.Name me 5 better please.
Kelly, Ferguson, Reich, Kemp and, um, Tred.
So he's in the top 10 QB's of a franchise that historically has had * for
QB's. That doesn't make DF an above average QB, unless you just mean above
the Bills average.
- Geoff
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by Geoff on Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:40 pm
Bender wrote:
> Who are you guys voting for President in November
>
> Barrak Obama
> John McBush
> Bob Barr
> Matt Baker
>
> ;-)
Well, I do believe Bender made a funny!
> Who are you guys voting for President in November
>
> Barrak Obama
> John McBush
> Bob Barr
> Matt Baker
>
> ;-)
Well, I do believe Bender made a funny!
- Geoff
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by Geoff on Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:44 pm
Colddays99@gmail.com wrote:
> No thats where your very wrong and seem not to understand.Doug Flutie
> had
> a decent NFL career.Rob Johnson did nothing at all.HUGE difference
> between the two.If you cant see that your blind or hard headed.One
> sucked the other one didn't!
*sigh* Once again...comparing DF to RJ does nothing to support any claim to
DF's stature in the league. Flutie had one good year, nothing exceptional,
and one marginal year. Other than that, his stats are pretty meager.
> As far as Losman and Ewards goes.JP has had his shot.He has proven he
> sucks.Trent Edwards has not had a chance to prove himself one way or
> the other.Yet.He will get his shot and we will see.
Like I said...eerily similar. The only argument you have for Tred is the
same argument you have for Flutie...a comparison to another garbage
quarterback that we all know sucked...just a couple more qb's in the long
line of Bills qb misery.
> No thats where your very wrong and seem not to understand.Doug Flutie
> had
> a decent NFL career.Rob Johnson did nothing at all.HUGE difference
> between the two.If you cant see that your blind or hard headed.One
> sucked the other one didn't!
*sigh* Once again...comparing DF to RJ does nothing to support any claim to
DF's stature in the league. Flutie had one good year, nothing exceptional,
and one marginal year. Other than that, his stats are pretty meager.
> As far as Losman and Ewards goes.JP has had his shot.He has proven he
> sucks.Trent Edwards has not had a chance to prove himself one way or
> the other.Yet.He will get his shot and we will see.
Like I said...eerily similar. The only argument you have for Tred is the
same argument you have for Flutie...a comparison to another garbage
quarterback that we all know sucked...just a couple more qb's in the long
line of Bills qb misery.
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Re: Bills sign QB Matt Baker
by Kountzeguy on Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:24 pm
On Jun 28, 11:33 am, night wrote:
> Kountzeguy wrote in news:759a7b4d-7e7f-4530-91e1-
> e18de7856...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 23, 3:32 pm, night wrote:
> >> Kountzeguy wrote in news:cea2d9ba-3927-4047-
> 8609-
> >> f7111872b...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I didn't shift anything.You started talking about both of them
> > sucking.Which is not true.
>
> Actually, I believe it was Geoff who said they all sucked.
>
> I got back into the discussion when you stated Flutie would have won the
> Titans game. I disagreed.
>
> So, you shifted the discussion from "Flutie would have won the Titans
> game" to "DF was better than RJ".
I didn't shift it.I went with the flow of the chat.I said I thought
Flutie would have won that game.I said I will stick with that.Nothing
more to say.
>
>
>
> >> What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
> >> Did not Flutie start and play this game?
>
> > Whats your point?HE TOOK THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS!
>
> Still does not prove Flutie would have won the Titans playoff game.
He is way better then the guy that started the game.Only reason I
need.
>
> > Something Rob
> > Johnson didn't have a chance in * doing with the same talent.When
> > Rob Johnson got his shot the team won very few games.To me that shows
> > me how much better Flutie was and that he is above average.
>
> So let me get this straight.
> Doug Flutie is an "above average" QB because he out played the "worst
> ever" QB?
No *.He is a above average QB because he took a team with little
talent to the playoffs two years.Your average QB playing with that
team could maybe have a 500. record.
>
> Wow.
>
> I have always suspected Flutie fans of doing this, tying his
> "greatness" to the "suckiness" of RJ. I now have proof. Thanks!
I never said Flutie was great.Good try tho.I responed to guys that
said Flutie and Johnson had the same kinda career.
>
>
>
> > He is the worst QB I have ever seen in the NFL.That includes Ryan
> > Leaf.So
> > if someone that bad almost beat the Titans,I think a above average QB
> > could do it.
>
> Elaborate. How does Flutie beat the Titans?
Well first off.He wouldn't take 92 sacks.Second he is way better!I
don't know what else needs to be said?Rob Johnson didn't do one thing
in that game that Flutie couldn't do.But he did alot of bad things
Flutie would have done better.Rob Johnson has never played one game is
his life better then Flutie.I dont see how this game would be any
different.
>
>
>
> >> Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
>
> > Yes they matter.You dont win SBs with QB play like this.You can make
> > the playoffs tho.
>
> Nor do you win playoff games, as DF showed when he played the Dolphins.
>
Never said it did.He got us to the playoffs tho.
>
>
> >> You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
> >> the Dolphins?
>
> > I seen him get blind sided at the goalline.
>
> You have "excused" one turnover away. How about the other two?
>
No excuse its what happend.We didn't have the best team.We lost.
>
>
> >> If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
> >> differently?
> >> No doubt he would have.
> >> However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
> >> And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
> >> Titans game.
>
> > He is way better then the guy that almost won the game.A guy with the
> > same flaws plus a billion more.That's my argument.
>
> They had different flaws.
>
> RJ had a $.02 head, and no pocket presence.
>
> Flutie had a weak arm, and a tendency to rush his decisions.
When you have a very bad Oline you have to rush or your sacked 367
times like Rob Johnson.Fluties arm was close to Rob Johnson's arm.Rob
had a very very overrated arm.Point being.Rob had the same flaws as
Flutie plus everything else it takes to be a winning QB.
>
> Teams did not defensively scheme the same way for both players.
Yeah the other team just did whatever with RJ back there.Rush him and
gets sacks or lay back and let him throw it into the ground.
>
>
>
> >> Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his
> car
> >> is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has
> the
> >> word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
>
> > You sound like a guy that does not know football.My car got me to the
> > indy 500.Your car did not even start.That makes my car better.
>
> Thaks for proving my point. Your "Chevette" is sooooo much better than
> my Pinto.
>
> All you proved was your car is better than my car. Nothing more.
I glad you understand now.
>
> You still failed to prove your car is NOT a POS, and is capable of doing
> anything besides just "getting you there".
The point of this was that Flutie is above average.Him taking a team
that had no right being in the playoffs to the playoffs twice.No
Oline,no running game,bad coaching.Two playoff teams.
>
> Night
> Kountzeguy
> e18de7856...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 23, 3:32 pm, night
> >> Kountzeguy
> 8609-
> >> f7111872b...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I didn't shift anything.You started talking about both of them
> > sucking.Which is not true.
>
> Actually, I believe it was Geoff who said they all sucked.
>
> I got back into the discussion when you stated Flutie would have won the
> Titans game. I disagreed.
>
> So, you shifted the discussion from "Flutie would have won the Titans
> game" to "DF was better than RJ".
I didn't shift it.I went with the flow of the chat.I said I thought
Flutie would have won that game.I said I will stick with that.Nothing
more to say.
>
>
>
> >> What was the result of the 98 playoff game vs. the Dolphins?
> >> Did not Flutie start and play this game?
>
> > Whats your point?HE TOOK THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS!
>
> Still does not prove Flutie would have won the Titans playoff game.
He is way better then the guy that started the game.Only reason I
need.
>
> > Something Rob
> > Johnson didn't have a chance in * doing with the same talent.When
> > Rob Johnson got his shot the team won very few games.To me that shows
> > me how much better Flutie was and that he is above average.
>
> So let me get this straight.
> Doug Flutie is an "above average" QB because he out played the "worst
> ever" QB?
No *.He is a above average QB because he took a team with little
talent to the playoffs two years.Your average QB playing with that
team could maybe have a 500. record.
>
> Wow.
>
> I have always suspected Flutie fans of doing this, tying his
> "greatness" to the "suckiness" of RJ. I now have proof. Thanks!
I never said Flutie was great.Good try tho.I responed to guys that
said Flutie and Johnson had the same kinda career.
>
>
>
> > He is the worst QB I have ever seen in the NFL.That includes Ryan
> > Leaf.So
> > if someone that bad almost beat the Titans,I think a above average QB
> > could do it.
>
> Elaborate. How does Flutie beat the Titans?
Well first off.He wouldn't take 92 sacks.Second he is way better!I
don't know what else needs to be said?Rob Johnson didn't do one thing
in that game that Flutie couldn't do.But he did alot of bad things
Flutie would have done better.Rob Johnson has never played one game is
his life better then Flutie.I dont see how this game would be any
different.
>
>
>
> >> Now turnovers do NOT matter?! Are you kidding me?
>
> > Yes they matter.You dont win SBs with QB play like this.You can make
> > the playoffs tho.
>
> Nor do you win playoff games, as DF showed when he played the Dolphins.
>
Never said it did.He got us to the playoffs tho.
>
>
> >> You do realize DF coughed up the ball 3 times in the playoff game vs.
> >> the Dolphins?
>
> > I seen him get blind sided at the goalline.
>
> You have "excused" one turnover away. How about the other two?
>
No excuse its what happend.We didn't have the best team.We lost.
>
>
> >> If Flutie had started the Titans game, would Doug have done things
> >> differently?
> >> No doubt he would have.
> >> However, Flutie had too many flaws as a QB.
> >> And it's his flaws that undermine the argument he would have won the
> >> Titans game.
>
> > He is way better then the guy that almost won the game.A guy with the
> > same flaws plus a billion more.That's my argument.
>
> They had different flaws.
>
> RJ had a $.02 head, and no pocket presence.
>
> Flutie had a weak arm, and a tendency to rush his decisions.
When you have a very bad Oline you have to rush or your sacked 367
times like Rob Johnson.Fluties arm was close to Rob Johnson's arm.Rob
had a very very overrated arm.Point being.Rob had the same flaws as
Flutie plus everything else it takes to be a winning QB.
>
> Teams did not defensively scheme the same way for both players.
Yeah the other team just did whatever with RJ back there.Rush him and
gets sacks or lay back and let him throw it into the ground.
>
>
>
> >> Christ.You sound like a Chevette owner talking about how great his
> car
> >> is because it will not blow up like the Pinto. And besides, it has
> the
> >> word "Vette" in it, and we all know how good "vettes" are.
>
> > You sound like a guy that does not know football.My car got me to the
> > indy 500.Your car did not even start.That makes my car better.
>
> Thaks for proving my point. Your "Chevette" is sooooo much better than
> my Pinto.
>
> All you proved was your car is better than my car. Nothing more.
I glad you understand now.
>
> You still failed to prove your car is NOT a POS, and is capable of doing
> anything besides just "getting you there".
The point of this was that Flutie is above average.Him taking a team
that had no right being in the playoffs to the playoffs twice.No
Oline,no running game,bad coaching.Two playoff teams.
>
> Night
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