Buffalo Bills Talk

"glw82664" wrote in message
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> On May 3, 1:38 pm, night wrote:
>> "Geoff" wrote
>> innews:EfydndDKjdLg34HVnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>> > glw82664 wrote:
>>
>> >> Maybe because he's in the final year of his contract, has indicated
>> >> he does not want to be in Buffalo, will command a high salary, and
>> >> after the year when the contract is up they get nothing in return.
>> >> Other then that, yeah, you're right.
>>
>> > And knowing all this, who in their right mind would give up jack *
>> > for Losman? The most the Bills would ever get for him is a few
>> > practice jerseys and a sack of used jocks. He's worth more to the
>> > Bills on the sideline. And he'll improve his own standing around the
>> > league if he plays the good trooper.
>>
>> Another good post.
>> Why is this concept so hard to grasp for some people? Why would a team
>> give
>> anything up to acquire a player that has one year remaining on his
>> contract? The player could just as easily walk out on them after his
>> contract was up.
>>
>> Night
>
> What's so hard to grasp? They keep him they get nothing in return.
> They trade him at least they get something. It's clear he will not be
> back next year. Get something while you can.

Despite his flaws, he is better than any other presently-available back-up.
The Bills front office can use this season to make plans for another back-up
next year. What they would get for him now is not worth having a far
inferior back-up----especially with Edwards injury history.

On May 4, 10:16 am, "Claude" wrote:
> "glw82664" wrote in message
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> > On May 3, 1:38 pm, night wrote:
> >> "Geoff" wrote
> >> innews:EfydndDKjdLg34HVnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> >> > glw82664 wrote:
>
> >> >> Maybe because he's in the final year of his contract, has indicated
> >> >> he does not want to be in Buffalo, will command a high salary, and
> >> >> after the year when the contract is up they get nothing in return.
> >> >> Other then that, yeah, you're right.
>
> >> > And knowing all this, who in their right mind would give up jack *
> >> > for Losman? The most the Bills would ever get for him is a few
> >> > practice jerseys and a sack of used jocks. He's worth more to the
> >> > Bills on the sideline. And he'll improve his own standing around the
> >> > league if he plays the good trooper.
>
> >> Another good post.
> >> Why is this concept so hard to grasp for some people? Why would a team
> >> give
> >> anything up to acquire a player that has one year remaining on his
> >> contract? The player could just as easily walk out on them after his
> >> contract was up.
>
> >> Night
>
> > What's so hard to grasp? They keep him they get nothing in return.
> > They trade him at least they get something. It's clear he will not be
> > back next year. Get something while you can.
>
> Despite his flaws, he is better than any other presently-available back-up.
> The Bills front office can use this season to make plans for another back-up
> next year. What they would get for him now is not worth having a far
> inferior back-up----especially with Edwards injury history.

That makes sense. However, I look at it from this perspective. The
Buffalo organization and its fans have no confidence in Losman. Sure,
he can be a serviceable backup, for what that's worth, but for the
most part backups won't get you to the playoffs. Yes, there are
exceptions. Conventional wisdom is that Losman doesn't have what it
takes to lead this team to the playoffs. That said he still has some
value - strong arm, has shown flashes of brilliance that some other
team may find useful. We've seen stranger things in the NFL. So, if
he's not in the long term plans cut the losses, get something (as
opposed to nothing) in return.

On May 5, 2:21 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
> glw82664 wrote:
> >> Despite his flaws, he is better than any other presently-available
> >> back-up. The Bills front office can use this season to make plans
> >> for another back-up next year. What they would get for him now is
> >> not worth having a far inferior back-up----especially with Edwards
> >> injury history.
>
> > That makes sense. However, I look at it from this perspective. The
> > Buffalo organization and its fans have no confidence in Losman.
>
> One wonders what merits the confidence in Tredwards? Last year, Losman
> averaged 1.35 pts/drive while Edwards averaged just 1.16.
>

I certainly don't have it, but what is clear is that Buffalo has given
up on Losman and Losman has given up on Buffalo. He won't be back.

> > Sure,
> > he can be a serviceable backup, for what that's worth, but for the
> > most part backups won't get you to the playoffs.
>
> It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds shoulders
> now.
>

So then, what sense does it make to keep a pricey backup on the
squad?

> > Yes, there are
> > exceptions. Conventional wisdom is that Losman doesn't have what it
> > takes to lead this team to the playoffs.
>
> Neither does Tred.
>

No argument there.

> > That said he still has some
> > value - strong arm, has shown flashes of brilliance that some other
> > team may find useful. We've seen stranger things in the NFL. So, if
> > he's not in the long term plans cut the losses, get something (as
> > opposed to nothing) in return.
>
> What the * do you think anyone would be willing to give up for him?

Whether anyone gives up a role of tape for him, that's more than
Buffalo will get at the end of the year - nothing - if he remains.

>Who will be your backup THIS year?

Uh...the guy they just signed? Back ups are a dime a dozen in this
league anyway.

On May 5, 1:21 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
> glw82664 wrote:
> >> Despite his flaws, he is better than any other presently-available
> >> back-up. The Bills front office can use this season to make plans
> >> for another back-up next year.  What they would get for him now is
> >> not worth having a far inferior back-up----especially with Edwards
> >> injury history.
>
> > That makes sense.  However, I look at it from this perspective.  The
> > Buffalo organization and its fans have no confidence in Losman.
>
> One wonders what merits the confidence in Tredwards? Last year, Losman
> averaged 1.35 pts/drive while Edwards averaged just 1.16.
>

One big difference in the two.One was a rookie.The other one has been
in NFL for 4 yrs.Edwards showed flashes that he can be really
good.That's uselly all you get from rookie QB's.He needs to step up
and be more consistent next.


I think if you cant get a pick for Losman cut him.Can you see Losman
sitting in meetings daily really trying to help Edwards?Do we even
want Losman giving advice?I don't think Losman would be good for
Edwards at all.I would rather have a backup that has there heart in
it.After this year Losman is gone no matter what.Why not bring in a
back up this year and could maybe your long term backup.

glw82664 wrote in news:349dcf79-7cee-45c6-88a2-
29168c5808a6@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:


>
> Whether anyone gives up a role of tape for him, that's more than
> Buffalo will get at the end of the year - nothing - if he remains.

That's the issue. The same reason you think Buffalo should get rid of JP
(less than one year on his contract) is the same reason nobody will step up
and trade for him (he has less than one year on his contract).

If *you* were the GM of another team, why would *you* give up a roll of
tape for a player *you* could probably acquire next year for nothing?





Night

"night" wrote in message
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> glw82664 wrote in news:349dcf79-7cee-45c6-88a2-
> 29168c5808a6@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>
>> Whether anyone gives up a role of tape for him, that's more than
>> Buffalo will get at the end of the year - nothing - if he remains.
>
> That's the issue. The same reason you think Buffalo should get rid of JP
> (less than one year on his contract) is the same reason nobody will step
> up
> and trade for him (he has less than one year on his contract).
>
> If *you* were the GM of another team, why would *you* give up a roll of
> tape for a player *you* could probably acquire next year for nothing?

And it's easy to say, "Let him go and just get another back-up.", but *who*?

glw82664 wrote:

>> Despite his flaws, he is better than any other presently-available
>> back-up. The Bills front office can use this season to make plans
>> for another back-up next year. What they would get for him now is
>> not worth having a far inferior back-up----especially with Edwards
>> injury history.
>
> That makes sense. However, I look at it from this perspective. The
> Buffalo organization and its fans have no confidence in Losman.

One wonders what merits the confidence in Tredwards? Last year, Losman
averaged 1.35 pts/drive while Edwards averaged just 1.16.

> Sure,
> he can be a serviceable backup, for what that's worth, but for the
> most part backups won't get you to the playoffs.

It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds shoulders
now.

> Yes, there are
> exceptions. Conventional wisdom is that Losman doesn't have what it
> takes to lead this team to the playoffs.

Neither does Tred.

> That said he still has some
> value - strong arm, has shown flashes of brilliance that some other
> team may find useful. We've seen stranger things in the NFL. So, if
> he's not in the long term plans cut the losses, get something (as
> opposed to nothing) in return.

What the * do you think anyone would be willing to give up for him? Who
will be your backup THIS year?

night wrote:
> "Geoff" wrote in
> news:Vcednbot99Jz3IHVnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Geo wrote:
>>
>>> Well well well, this sets the stage for a Losman trade.
>>
>> Pffft...no way they trade Losman now and leave Edwards with this
>> chump Baker as his back up...that would be completely moronic.
>
> Exactly. I think they are looking for Edwards back up next year, this
> year, and that person would become the 3rd QB this year.
>
> That way, when JP leaves after this year, *theoretically* the Bills
> would move this years 3rd stringer into the second string spot next
> year.

That makes sense. You don't want your backup to have more talent than your
starter. There's no chance of that happening with this chump.

TD to INT ratio of 12:14 at North Carolina. Completion%: 52%. Only had one
season where he attempted more than 50 passes. His career NCAA rating is
113, which would translate to about 70 with the NFL formula (no, they're not
the same).

It's anyone's guess how anyone considered this guy worthy of a roster spot.
If he becomes the backup next year, that's a firm commitment to mediocrity.

On May 6, 4:04 pm, "Geoff" wrote:
> glw82664 wrote:
> >> It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds
> >> shoulders now.
>
> > So then, what sense does it make to keep a pricey backup on the
> > squad?
>
> Money is not the issue, believe me. I'd rather have Losman on the sideline
> in case of emergency than Baker. Losman has tools. Baker has nothing.
>

What tools does JP have really?To me he hasn't shown me anything that
would say keep him over a off the street guy.Unless he can play
WR.His
low upside isn't worth it to me to keep him as a cancer in the locker
room.
JP is the past.Need to put all the energy into Edwards now and see
what he can do.Give him the best shot to succeed.I don't think a guy
like Baker is the answer,but I do think come tranning camp their will
be a back up worthy QB out there.


> >> What the * do you think anyone would be willing to give up for
> >> him?
>
> > Whether anyone gives up a role of tape for him, that's more than
> > Buffalo will get at the end of the year - nothing - if he remains.
>
> Which is exactly what we get for him now...nothing.
>
> >> Who will be your backup THIS year?
>
> > Uh...the guy they just signed?  Back ups are a dime a dozen in this
> > league anyway.
>
> Oh, brother. Then you better have Edwards wrapped in frickin' titanium.

glw82664 wrote:

>> It's not the job of the backup to do that. That's all on Treds
>> shoulders now.
>
> So then, what sense does it make to keep a pricey backup on the
> squad?

Money is not the issue, believe me. I'd rather have Losman on the sideline
in case of emergency than Baker. Losman has tools. Baker has nothing.

>> What the * do you think anyone would be willing to give up for
>> him?
>
> Whether anyone gives up a role of tape for him, that's more than
> Buffalo will get at the end of the year - nothing - if he remains.

Which is exactly what we get for him now...nothing.

>> Who will be your backup THIS year?
>
> Uh...the guy they just signed? Back ups are a dime a dozen in this
> league anyway.

Oh, brother. Then you better have Edwards wrapped in frickin' titanium.